SPEAKER_02 0:13

Hello and welcome to Talking Cards with Grant Salami and the Juice. I am the Juice along here with Bert. How are you doing, Bert? I'm doing good, Juice. How are you? Doing good today. Um, I have a few things that I want to complain about, but overall, I'm doing doing pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Yeah, today's the first day of the TOPS industry conference. So social media has been flooded with all kinds of fun presentation snapshots and stuff like that. Good, good content to talk about.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

Yeah, I did see they're doing a fanatics credit card, right?

SPEAKER_00 0:41

Fanatics credit card, yeah. Something like spend$10,000 a month for six months and you get a free jersey. Yeah. Yeah. Man, what a deal.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Yeah, but a lot of people are hyped for that because they're seeing um something about exclusive access to drops and releases. So maybe that's why they got rid of Montgomery Club, so that they can find another way to get our money plus interest now.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

That'll be interesting though. If the if it actually is like some type of a Monty Club uh perk, that would be that would be a reason to get a credit card, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

It says like five percent off of collectibles, things like that. So we'll see how that actually works. And not something I'm too tempted to do. Last thing I need is another credit card, especially one that's specific for uh buying cards. Yeah. Not not the best thing, I don't think. It's it could definitely be good for the right people, but I don't know. Um okay. Well, the first thing I want to get into, and I want to own it, is last week we were talking about for the transcendent release, how excited we were for like breaks of this. It's a premium product, very difficult to get into. Hey, don't throw me in that bucket. All right. Well, we were discussing it as in you were at least a side of the conversation, but I was very excited for it. We were talking about how in the past how much fun the breaks would be, and then we went into it without an actual checklist and just off of some information that we were assuming was accurate, and the information was not accurate. Um, so first of all, we were seeing everywhere one superfractor guaranteed per case. That is not the case. Yeah, so that is the first thing that should piss anyone off entering into a break or buying a case of you're spending$25,000 on a case of this, and you're seeing guaranteed a superfractor, you better be getting that superfractor. And it is not even every other case, from what I could tell. I watch a lot of this up open. It's fun to watch still, but and then the other thing is no invitation guaranteed, like it said, which makes sense because now we're looking at it, and if you really break down the numbers, the print run is I think someone said like 1100 cases.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

But yeah, I just topped just continues to to test how far they can go and how much they can mess up before regulation comes in. Because when it's$25,000 a case and you make claims like that, you're just asking for some type of class action lawsuit or something like that. It's uh it feels like it's feels like it's only an a matter of time with how much misinformation, misadvertisement, misleading of consumers there is that's happening from tops right now. I wish that they would invest in the quality control and the, you know, the proofread editing that needs to happen to make sure that those things are released to the customers without misleading them, because I don't think regulation would be a good thing for anybody, collectors included. So I don't know. It's very, very frustrating to me.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

I feel like like it's not exaggerating to say it's lately been a coin flip of whether or not the information we get before a release is actually all correct.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Yeah, total coin flip.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

Yeah. It's been released after release.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

We get the information at all, and like especially when it's just pi piecemeal, we get it, you know, like we get the oftentimes the first things that we'll see, like with 2026 Bowman, is they'll sneak preview a specific card and do a first look at it or something like that and get people's hopes up that the that that subset checklist is going to be loaded, but you know, it might not be. Or they'll have information put out at the presale without a checklist. They'll start selling it pre-sale without a checklist and definitely without pack odds, and they'll make all kinds of mistakes in the bullets that they put out for product information, right? Things that change, things that end up when they when they do post the checklist and the pack odds are objectively false. It's extremely frustrating because you have to, with very limited information, you have to at least use the information that you're given to formulate some type of evaluation in your head about whether or not it's gonna be a good product to rip, to break, whatever it might be.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

And if they're doing this, a lot of people are thinking, well, this doesn't affect me. This is a$25,000, like, and it's nothing I'm ever gonna have to worry about. But if they're doing these kinds of things with a$25,000 box, what are they doing with the cheaper boxes that don't really require the same quality control for what they might call a lesser clientele? And these are the things that we can prove and tangibly see. Imagine the odds, because even breaking a hundred cases, I don't know the math on it where like you can really start to extrapolate the data, but you're not really understanding the odds fully. I'm sure there's just a lot more out there that we just don't know about and we can't see that topps is just plain wrong on the odds for. Sometimes it works in our favor. Sometimes you get that chance monopoly card, a bank error in your favor, and they say two guaranteed autos, and then you end up seeing like two to three a box, which is nice. But for the most part, Tops has really just been messing up lately.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

I don't know if it's because uh it could be a million reasons, but with the Transcendent, there was actually a thousand cases or so printed, and there was only a hundred invites and ten of the VIP invites.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

And the superfractors, like I can't imagine buying a case for$25,000.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Especially with the boom on superfractors right now, too, dude. Like superfractors are selling of anybody of any product are selling kind of higher from a um a parallel multiplier perspective than I can remember right now.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

So I haven't really looked at that because there's not too many. All right, but that's that's good to know. All right. So yeah, I just like to make sure that we're holding tops accountable because I do like them more than Panini and the other, any of the other card makers. They obviously have all the licenses, but just uh it it's just a shame. I'm truly I don't know what's gonna happen because the hobby keeps growing and that there doesn't have to be any accountability as of now, but we'll see what what happens if like they keep having these missteps and mistakes. So the next thing I want to talk about is we got some Bowman info. We love our Bowman. We do. Every time there's a Bowman product, we're going nuts for it. We don't have a checklist yet, of course. That's a little bit of a ways away, most likely. But we did get a preview of what the cars are gonna look like, the design this year, along with the inserts and a couple of new product designs. New insert designs, I should say. New insert designs, I should say. So first we will start with just the overall design of just the Bowman base cards. What do you think about this year?

SPEAKER_00 7:03

Bowman Prism Baseball. I mean, that's I can't I can't tell you how many people have had that reaction. The design looks very much so like a Panini Prism design. I think it's it's the full border, the thickness of the border, and the fact that the border is not uniform in width around. It's got that very prism look to it. And it's the first time that I can remember Bowman having a border like that.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

I like it. Um, yes, I am here in the Bowman Prism elsewhere as well. But I like it. It's a very clean look, it's not too busy. I'm not a big fan of the team logo being located where it's at. I get that they're going for symmetry. It's in like the bottom middle and it kind of sticks up a bit, kind of intrudes on the rest of the card and the player design to it takes away a little bit. I'd rather that kind of tuck into the corner, but I get the symmetry they were looking for. Overall, though, I'm a fan. It's gonna be very easy to tell centering on these two, which is nice for if you're someone that wants to submit to grade. So I always I always like that when when they make that easy on us.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

I don't think we've seen a uh, you know, this thick of a full border in Bowman since 2020. And 2020 was one of the all-time best designs, very simple, personally liked by collectors, I would say.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

For sure. One thing that I'm worried about though is quality control. Because anytime you have this thick of a border on the refractors, generally wherever you see surface marks the most, the most easily is on the border. So with that much border to work with, I'm just worried about things like dimples. I'm worried about things about things like staple marks, I'm worried about things like little scratches that will show up really clearly. And given the quality control as of late from Bowman, I don't have a whole lot of confidence that they're gonna be able to do it right. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

We will see. Time will tell. But here's here's hoping. But again, Topps has not really earned my trust lately. So we'll see. Let's talk about some of the new inserts and the new designs that they have. So, first thing I want to talk about is the stained glass. I like it this year. I think uh this design lends itself well.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

Why because it looks like Panini?

unknown 9:07

Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

You know, I'm not really a big fan of glass, not stained glass, juice. It's etched in glass. Oh, okay. Yeah, we can't use the we can't use the panini jargon if we're saying it doesn't look like Panini. But then of course, Topps announced that NBA Hoops is coming out today, so they're just straight stealing the brands from Panini, it sounds like.

SPEAKER_02 9:26

So I was gonna make a gold vinyl joke, but we'll move past that.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Apparently, I didn't know this. A lot of people didn't know this, but the hoops brand is owned by the NBA. That's how Topps is able to use it, because it just I guess with a license.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

That's I figured, I'm sure, yeah, it wasn't it wasn't anything outside of what they were able to do.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

But I'm I'm glad to I'm glad to see that hoops is is still gonna be around because hoops was awesome. But yeah, this Eschin glass, I I'm looking at it, I like the design overall. It looks clean, no complaints about it on my end. Um I can't put my finger on it, but it does look nicer than previous years. I'll be excited to see that actual card physically, not just a mock-up design, but yeah, it looks nice.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

I agree. Yeah. I like the way the crystallized looks a lot, especially this year. I know they they put out some sneak previews of the crystallized, notably Shohei Otani is gonna have a crystallized. So that no doubt is going to be a huge chase. Crystallized first came out in 2025, Bowman, just a year ago, and immediately came out the gates a lot hotter than the other case hit short prints that you see in Bowman. Uh, mostly the the spotlight. I'd say even they they came out the gates even hotter than the than the animes.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

But I like the crystallized, but I like the other ones better. Yeah. But I I'm a sucker for uh short prints, super short prints. Uh, they're bringing back gold etch, which we saw on Bowman Draft. Um, everyone was a big fan of, but in person, that ink, I would say like 75% of the time the ink just did not translate well, the gold ink.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Ah, the gold inks, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

But it's such a nice looking card. You know, no one's gonna be upset about calling them.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Yeah, hopefully they fix the pen issue this time around. Who knows?

SPEAKER_02 11:05

Obviously, nothing revolutionary with it, but they did release a preview image of the Nolan McLean where he's pointing to the sky.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

You're gonna have to get that one.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

I need that card.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

I need that card. That is such an awesome card.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Very cool.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

And there is a new parallel that they announced. It is the Chrome Prospect Pack Fractor Variation, number to 89. And um, yeah, this is this is an awesome looking card, I think. It's got the 89 Bowman pack as the background. It still has like the frame up there, but it goes to the edge of the card, which is, I just think it's a really cool card. And what are your thoughts on that one?

SPEAKER_00 11:45

Well, first and foremost, this the sneak preview they gave is Kevin McGonagall, and I'm super happy that McGonagall's in the Chrome Prospect Auto checklist. I think such an important part of Bowman baseball is having those guys that where it's not their first Bowman auto that are coming back for their second or third Chrome Prospect Auto that are indeed the top prospects. They did a great job last year. Guys like um, guys like Connor Griffin, Jack Caglione, Travis Bazanna, the guys from the previous draft year. And it's very encouraging that they're actually bringing back a guy like McGonagall, who had his first in Bowman the previous year. So it'll be very interesting to see what that what that checklist looks like. I love the design. The McGonagal looks great. Clearly, I think they're gonna have to do a good job with their Photoshop to make a card look good. I think some of them might look kind of funky. The McGonagal works, but very interested to see what these 80 89 Bowman wax packs look like in person. There's gonna be non-auto and auto versions, it looks like, which is great.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

They're bringing back the Bowman Red Rookie Redemption program, which is nice. Um, don't want to spend too much time on that. Same thing as last year. If one of their guys, the red guy rookie of the year, he'll be eligible for future fan cash rewards too in the future, where you can turn into fanatics. What I really like this year is the update on the anime design.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

Yeah, why?

SPEAKER_02 13:01

It used to be it had like the brown borders like a TV. Now it is like the chrome refractor border, which I think gives it a much sharper, more modern look. And then with those parallels too, it just looks really sharp to me. And it's just always such a fun design. I'd never hit one. Maybe this is the year, alone my McLean spotlight. Maybe I could hit an anime.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

We'll see. So they they were they released a sneak preview of the Aaron Judge in the Team USA uniform and also Shohei Otani in a Team Japan uniform with the kanji nameplate. I'm curious to see if there's gonna be a different subset for the WBC animes than from the standard ones, because they also released Connor Griffin, and obviously that he didn't play in the WBC, but he's just in the in the pirates get up. So I'm curious if they kind of partition those or if they're just gonna be jumbled into the same checklist. Like I wonder if Aaron Judge could also have a Yankees anime in addition to the WBC. Same with Otani if he has the the Dodgers one in addition to the Team Japan.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

I mean, if there's a way for them to put more Otani in there, they're usually gonna do it. Yeah. I guess we'll find out. Hopefully you find out soon. But overall, I'm liking what they what I've seen from Bowman so far. Obviously, with Bowman, it always comes down to the checklist because it's just run. Hopefully, it's not just, you know, three base autos, a jumbo, and just hoping like that your two boxes has at least one color. Hopefully your odds are a little better this year. But having hold my breath on that, it's all about those, the base and the parallels of that. The inserts are always nice, but Bowman, you always got to go back to that for.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Yep. And it's usually about the prospects and not the rookies. We know the rookie class is strong, but we know that it's gonna be a lot harder to hit a rookie auto than a prospect auto. Unless, of course, they go the route of Bowman basketball, which I highly doubt. I'm sure they'll just stick with the same blueprint that's been working for years and years and years in Bowman baseball.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

Yeah, basketball is just so different because they they just split that between university and current players. So I I get why they did it. I actually really like that they did it that way.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

To know that I'm gonna get a current player in every box, and if I'm a fan of university, which I'm not, but yeah, to be able to get that, I think that's cool. But that's a conversation for another day.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

Yeah. And we could talk about the players uh that we anticipate seeing in 2026 Bowman a little bit later, too. Of course, there's some huge names out there, some of which have been verified, Ethan Holiday being one of them, but I know a lot of people are hoping for Eduard Florentino. And uh yeah, we can we can get into a deep dive, I think, uh uh in future episodes. Looking forward to that.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

Yeah, we are looking to do a very deep dive. We're gonna be splitting up our Bowman breakdown, I believe, into six episodes. So everyone be prepared for that. You need six episodes, we're gonna do one episode per division. There's just so much to discuss, and it's just so much unknown with players. Right now, if I whenever we say kind of griffin, you know who he is. But outside of you know the top three players, I'm not gonna lie, I don't know much about any of these players in Bowman.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

It'll be a lot of fun. Uh, we're gonna try to bring some experts in. So that is something to look forward to as well. And we will see how that goes.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

All right.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

Our last thing that we're gonna do today, it's gonna be a new segment. I am going to test Bird out a little bit. We're gonna play a game called Guess That Comp. I am going to give him some cards, and for each card, he's gonna guess what the most recent comp would be on that.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

And yeah, I try to find cards where it's not like the most recent comp doesn't make any sense with everything, where it could be a reasonable expectation based off of current performance and past performance.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

Does that make some sense? Okay, so what is this like average the last five or something like that?

SPEAKER_02 16:27

No, I I mostly I went off of the last comp. If it if it would seem like a total outlier, I just try to pick a different card in player.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

Are you gonna give me the date of the comp?

SPEAKER_02 16:37

No, because it it was in the last couple weeks, if any.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

Last couple weeks. Okay, got it. All right.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

So first I'm gonna do maybe the most famous common card out there. We are going to do Mike Trout, Mike Trout, tops update rookie, PSA 10. Just the base, just the base. What do you think that's going for right now?

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Just the base, I'm gonna say uh 750. 1,075. Okay, wow. So he's bounced back a little bit, I think, from the bottom.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Once you start seeing a player play, yeah, that can definitely help too.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

Yeah, he's had a somewhat decent start until the Mariners, of course, pegged him in the hand. I couldn't believe when that happened. Casey Legomino of all guys to peg him in the hand. Brutal. He's back though, right? He's back in the lineup, I think.

unknown 17:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

You think I would know because I have him in my fantasy, but it's been a busy, busy couple days.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Wow. So, wow. I mean, that card has always been like, I wonder what the peak is for that card. It would have been COVID era, COVID peak.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

That that card was probably I think a little a little post-COVID, I would 2021.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

I'm sure that card was over like 2,500 bucks at one point.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

Yeah. All right. So you were off by about 25%. I'm gonna give you a miss on that one. Okay. All right. This next one, it might be a little tougher. This is maybe the most infamous card of the past few years. The Shohei Otani through the years insert. The one where it's the facsimile auto of like his from 21 dynasty patch auto.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

I think that's what they card it. That that's what the card was on there. So this is the fake auto. It's infamous because people put this on eBay and they don't put that it's a reprint or something, or they put RP or well, that was the thing for years and years and years, and now it's just actually that valuable.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

People have figured it out and still are willing, willing to pay as much as they are.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

So this is the rest of these are all doc rated. These are all raw cards, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

These are raw? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

Yeah. So this one, the past three sales have all been right about the same number, and then recent. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 18:35

I think like right around$200. One okay. Yeah.$150.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

$200 is not a terrible guess, though. Uh I know based off the other one we said you're about 25% off. I guess the same here, but I think that$200 is a reasonable guess. Yeah.$150.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

I wonder what the last 10 to sell for was. They're all over the place.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Yeah, people are all over the place for those.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

Weird. Such a weird phenomenon, that one.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:59

I mean, such a good example of how the Otani economy is so unique. This is something that we've never seen before.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

Yeah, I have a card show next week, and I'm just going through all my boxes of base and just looking for any Otani cards right now.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

I'm trying to figure out what the next all Aces is going to be. You know, this 2023 Series 1 All Aces has obviously gone off over$300 for a base insert. Raw.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

I'm I'm searching for that.

SPEAKER_00 19:21

This series one for the years, that's a perfect example of another one. Another one that's interesting is out of 2019 Topps update. He has, I believe it's 1980, I think it's 84. It's the 84 insert, you know, the typical flagship insert that you see. That's a throwback. Is that right? Maybe it's 86. Anyways, it's 2019, but it has it has the rookie card logo on there. It's an error card. And they're very common. Those are also like over$100 raw, I think.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Very common does not matter for him. All right.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Crazy.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

So let's talk about one of the new guys to the league, Connor Griffin. How do you think his first Bowman auto is going for right now?

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Raw. Raw base. Well, I think his PSA 10 base autos are like right around 2,000 or 2,000 to 2,500. So I'd say probably raw first Bowman auto, probably like 900.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

Excellent guess.$100.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

$800. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

But yeah,$900 is probably what we're going to do.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

A little bit of a slow start. He hit that double in the first at bat, and I was watching. I haven't seen any of his at bats since, but I I know he's been kind of struggling.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

I'll get there.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

We know how um we know how flippant collectors can be. You know, it's uh it doesn't take much of a sample size to make it to pass a judgment.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

If you see those prices dip, it could be the time to buy, but we'll see. Yeah, we'll see. I'm not a buyer we need$100, and we'll talk about that in a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Um Julio did his rookie year, where he ends up making the home run derby and then he gets a home run derby spike, something like that. I could see it.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Next up, Roman Anthony first Bowman Auto base.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Okay. Lower than Connor, but not by much. 700. Higher than Connor. Surprised me, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

Okay. Yeah, the Roman market is insane. I don't know if it's Austin market that helps. He's got one of the weakest noodle arms I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

That's terrible.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

He looks like Johnny Damon out there.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

Yeah, that that was that was bad, but people don't collect him for that arm.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

No, no.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

So that's that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

That's crazy. So Roman's higher than Connor. I thought Connor had surpassed him, but right around the same. I wonder who I was surprised as well.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

I mean, it's gonna be whoever has a better season, I think.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Yeah, it will be.

SPEAKER_02 21:31

That's really then they're close enough where that that's really gonna be what.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Who do you think's gonna have a better season?

SPEAKER_02 21:35

You know, I had them both in fantasy, so I won them both. Uh um, I think I think Roman Anthony has a better chance to have the better season. I think he's gonna be given a longer leash too.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

If Connor Griffin continues to struggle a bit, like I wouldn't I wouldn't blame them for sending him back down because he's so young. Like, it's like, all right, we just brought him up a little too soon. Roman Anthony. I just feel like he's they're ready to really like go and see like what he's gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

And Connor Griffin, they also gave that huge contract too.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

I think that I think the expectations are maybe a little bit higher for Roman too because he is older and more established, had a good rookie year too. So like if they put up the same numbers from here until September and they're both good numbers, maybe call it like borderline all-star numbers. I'd like Connor will be higher than Roman.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

Yeah, yeah, because he's a teenager. Absolutely. All right. Next up, Julio Rodriguez, Burris Goleman Refractor Auto.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

I know the purple autos are selling for right around about eight right now. Probably after his slow start, probably more like 750. I'd say his refractor auto is probably right there in the same realm. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go 699.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

You're off by$3.$6.96. That is a great, great guess.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Let's go. I feel good about that. It would have been really embarrassing to be off on Julio.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

Yeah, yeah. I wanted to throw you a bone with that one for sure. And also I in a moment I want to talk about like how this compares. Like there's a reason why I brought these up and I picked these cards, which you're probably noticing in the past. Last up, Bobby Witt Jr. first Bowman Auto base.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

Wow. I think Bobby's higher than Roman. 950.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

840.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

Wow. So Roman's higher. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:23

Not a bad guess.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

That's crazy. Roman's higher than Bobby. That's nuts.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

That's why I want that's why I brought up these cards and I looked these up specifically. Because the fact that Conor Griffin and Roman Anthony are selling for at like pretty much we have 800, 875, 840. Like it's and any sale, you can give or take some money. So they're pretty much all selling for the same. He's established himself as a superstar. He would be the superstar in the league if it wasn't for two absolutely insane talents. And then you have these other guys that haven't shown anything yet that are selling for just as much, sometimes more than him, along with Julio, who I would definitely put into star status, definitely like a top 15 guy in the league, I would say, who's selling for less than these guys. These guys, yeah. Like if you were a Pirates fan, and I was gonna say you would sign up for him being Julio, but I don't know if you would with uh all the time.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

It's crazy, man. It's like in the world of Bowman, obviously, for every day more experience you have, the less volatile your card market becomes. Now that Julio and Bobby are on year two, three, four, five, six, two, three, four, five, six. Year five? That's crazy. Year five in the big leagues, and they're already like pretty insulated from a lot of market movement. I feel like those are like way safer investments than something like Connor and Roman, which are more safe investments than a guy like Kevin McGonagall, JJ Weatherholt, which are more safe investments than a guy like Jesus Made, which are more safe investments than a guy like down the spectrum, I don't know, Eli Willitz. So yeah, it's fascinating. The whole Bowman economics, man. It's really interesting.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

People always talk about it, how people go way too crazy for these prospects and rookies when there's these bet cards that can be had for the same or less. And then they go even further back to vintage and say, well, I could get this vintage rookie for a third of the price. Obviously, the card economics are completely different from that time, but it's just it's so insane when you have the numbers like laid out for you like that.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Mm-hmm. A lot of people a lot of people like to compare it to asset classes and finance, right? Like, you know, vintage is your mutual fund and Bowman prospects are your penny stocks. But I don't I I think that the argument that the Bowman community makes and the argument that I would make is there actually is an ability to have an edge in the Bowman market that you don't have in the penny stocks market because it is so much more established and regulated. Um, and there's a lot more information going around. In Bowman, I think you actually can have an edge. There's a way to prospect really smartly and actually make money.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Especially if you use the tools that are available to you, like Dahl or just like the information that they have. But yeah, if if you put, you know, the wit, the Connor and the Roman in front of me, I'm taking the wit card. Like it's it just it seems like a no-brainer to me, but people love hype. They just love hype. And we've all fallen victim to it. You know, I don't think there's anyone in the hobby that can say they never fell for the hype of someone or got excited about a player and his abilities and what he might be able to do one day than what's sitting in front of him. Because it is fun. It's a really fun part of the hobby. Who doesn't love to hit big on a guy that, you know, started at nothing and then all of a sudden he became the next guy?

SPEAKER_00 26:33

Yeah, I will say, Juice, the gap between Julio and Bobby is not that wide. I thought it would have been wider at this point in their career based on the way that things were trending. And Julio had the big second half last year. Bobby's been kind of slow at the gates. Bobby seems to be Bobby seems to be developing as more of a a prototypical leadoff high average guy than I think a lot of people in the hobby were expecting. Um, at this point in his career, I think a lot of people thought he'd be hitting more home runs, but he's just not, he's not launching the ball. He's he's making more line drive, hard ground ball contact.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

Julio's also was a work factor auto. I just want to put that out there. Um, he didn't have any recent base comps, but I just feel like Julio is is more fun to watch for whatever reason. I don't know what it is. It's just people love Julio, they love J-Rod. He has a more of an aura than Bobby Witt Jr. for some reason.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Um definitely a lot more volatile, right? Like uh he has a lot more bad at bats. Um, but looking at it, looking at their careers, they started at the same time. And I think if you look at it from like an F4 perspective, they're they're pretty close. But still, from a I think Bobby's such a hobby, darling. You know, it's uh I'm surprised that they're as close as the as they are.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

All right. Well, I think that about does it for today. Uh, thank you, everyone. That was it. Yeah.

unknown 27:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

All right. Well, thank you so much, everyone, for listening. Thank you, Bert, for joining me, of course.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Thanks, Juice, for being an awesome host. Hey, everyone, have a good day. Thank you. Thanks, everybody.