SPEAKER_00 0:13

Hello and welcome to the Talking Cards Podcast with Grant Salami and the Juice. I am your host, The Juice, along here with my co-host Bert. Bert is back. How are you doing, Bert? I'm doing good. How are you guys? Good. And I have Dahl here, who I will introduce in just a second. He is our special guest that I've been teasing for a little while now. Before we get started, I do want to mention our new partner is Card Purchaser. Make sure to follow him on Twitter or X if you aren't already at CardPurchaser. He always has the latest info on product drops, latest hobby news, and there's a lot of stuff that he will and won't retweet. So he likes to put a lot of that hobby info out there for you. But if you really want that info in real time, I would say join the Discord where you can get notifications. You can find the link in our episode notes. So you can find more than just drop info. It's really helpful if you're trying to be all over those retail drops for sports cards, training cards, Pokemon cards, whatever. Um, you can get notifications easily.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

So man, I don't know how he does it, man. He yeah, it seems like he never sleeps.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Yeah, I don't understand either. When I first reached out to him about partnering up, I was like, oh, I can just reach out to him anytime because he's always he's always around.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

I got my notice on I got my noties on on Twitter at all times on CP stuff. You know, he's he's oftentimes the first person to retweet or you know posts about something that can really help collectors.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

So he's the man. If you're new to the hobby, you know, he he's a go-to for sure. But then whether you're new or not, but especially for seasoned people, that's where doll comes in. So we talked about doll a couple times before with prospect's pulse. How are you doing, doll? Well, how about you guys? We're doing great. We're happy to have you. Thank you for coming. Happy to be here, guys. So I brought up prospect pulse before and doll and what he does. I'm gonna let him get into that a little bit, but I've refer to this as the final rung of our holy trinity. So we've had Bob on Big Bob's cards. We've had Slap Squatch on. So we have Bob for all the prospect info um as far as analyzing the prospect and their baseball acumen. We've had Slap Squatch on for his product info and odds and what you can expect as far as pricing and everything. And the final point of our Trinity is Dahl, who really can help you out with I think the singles pricing side is the best way to summarize of what you can do. But that is really a summarization because there's so much that you do. But I'll just let you introduce yourself um a little bit and what you do before we get into it.

SPEAKER_03 2:45

Absolutely. But before I introduce myself, I just want to say I'm honored to be included in the Holy Trinity. I feel like I'm a little bit out of place with those two legends, but I appreciate it nonetheless. So as you've mentioned, I built a website called Prospect Pulse, prospectpulsv1.com. That's kind of just a culmination of everything I've kind of built over the past year and a half, two years now. Got singles prices, got multipliers by variation. I got stats, prospect rankings, scout grades. You know, I try and provide a whole bunch of information to help people make informed purchases and decisions when they're selling their cards, you know. It's life's pretty busy. I built this site because I was pretty busy and wanted to make something that would streamline the buying and selling process for myself. And I feel like, you know, I've been blessed to have so many people come along for the ride. It's been a fun journey.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

You know, when we were talking about before, we were describing it as like a simple presentation that's easy to digest with a lot of data and layers underneath that you can view yourself in in real time and just be able to sort as you see fit. Um, which we're gonna get into it quite a bit. And people are if you're not already on there or you haven't already heard about this, this should really open your eyes up to a level of the hobby that can give you such an advantage, especially if you're someone that looks looks to flip cards and prospects and things, tries to find those diamonds in the rock. This is something that's really gonna give you the edge, the advantage. Once before, I had spoken about you and Prospects Pulse as being like the first person to have card ladder and go to a show and like what an advantage you would be if you were the only person with card ladder or a show or be able to look at like sold listings on like 130 point or you be like being the only person that had a show with internet, pretty much. That's the kind of advantage that this presents if you're someone that wants to invest into cards and be able to build something for themselves and their collection to either personally collect or sell in the future.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

If you love it is a one-stop shop. If you buy site, buy, sell, and trade Bowman, it's something that you need to be paying attention to. It's like Prospect Pulse is like the equivalent of card ladder, except it gives you not just the top level information, but also a click down and a click down further and a click down further from there. Gives you anything that you need to know as you want to dissect, slice and dice all the little information, all the different pieces of Bowman that you might want to know. Not only that, but it's built like the UI is phenomenal. It's highly intuitive. Like you go in there and you can pretty much find anything you want from auctions ending soon to price by average base auto, buy checklists to parallel multipliers, like all the different things that you might need to know to figure out how much your card might be worth, how much you want to you might want to offer on a card, how things are trending over time, whether our prospects up or down, all the different things, doll. I'm and I I can't say enough about the product. It's it's phenomenal. I I couldn't believe it when I first saw it. I still can't believe it every time I open it. It's an amazing tool. And I think everybody that gets on there and actually tries it out sees that. And thank you for what you built, man. And I hope that you continue to make it better and better. And I know that you are. By the way that you respond to everybody's enhancement requests and and different ideas and how you how quickly you turn ideas into actual like features on the site, it's it's pretty incredible what you built.

SPEAKER_03 6:04

Well, we kind of alluded to this before we started recording, but I mean, ultimately, I feel like what matters most in this in this niche hobby is building that community, having those supporters and like making connections and very honored and grateful to have met you so early on in this journey. And same with Bob. Felt like I really invested, I put in the time before doing something like this because I wanted people to see that, you know, I'm doing this because I want to help others. Um as much as I like want to help myself, because ultimately, like it can be very overwhelming. I think right now, just between 2018 to 2026, we have like 1600, 1700 active prospect prospects with Chrome Prospect Autographs that are still playing. How are you supposed to keep track of of all that? That's so much. And you know, there's only so much time in the day you can't watch every game, but that doesn't mean you still can't enjoy enjoy the hobby, you know?

SPEAKER_01 6:59

Yeah. I think anybody that's interested in collecting baseball prospects too, like, and anybody that's new to the hobby and wanting to collect baseball prospects, I'm always super happy when people tell me that they go find you doll and they find prospect pulls first, because I see so many new collectors jumping in to the hobby by joining what not breaks, overpriced what not breaks, and you know, ripping product blindly and buying whatever they see at their LCS for whatever the sticker price is, or buying anything off blowout or David Adams. And your tool really gives them an idea of here's like if you're gonna spend a bunch of money in this hobby, here's a way to get your money in good, as opposed to just dumping your money wherever, you know, the powers that be are pointing you to put your money back, you know. So, because I think that's really important, you know, that the hobby, especially baseball prospecting, can be really expensive. It can add up really quickly if you do it the wrong way. And but if you do it the smart way and you're informed and you have tools that cross my pulse that give you insights to do it right, like not necessarily going to be an extremely profitable venture necessarily, but if you do it the right way, it can be. And if you're just doing it for a hobby and it's not a business for you, like it's a way that you could at least recoup a lot of the money that you're spending on breaks, rips, things like that. Like supplement by doing things that are smart. Sell off everything that you have that's when it's the right time to sell, buy things when they're low, when you you know that prospects are undervalued. And your tool helps, I think, navigate that very complicated and intimidating environment that is Bowman for new collectors.

SPEAKER_03 8:33

Yeah. Ultimately, like the the hobby moves so fast, and like it's just very difficult to keep up with everything. So I just wanted to build something that could help because I have so much fun prospecting, and like the people who helped me get to where I am today were so kind. They took time to answer questions and they were generally supportive when I didn't know what I was talking about. So ultimately, like I'm trying to put back into the world what I was given and you know, continue to move forward and help people become better buyers and sellers.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

I think there's also like a perception in the hobby, too, that prospecting is like the penny stocks of the hobby, you know, investing in vintage like the mutual fund, like all the way in between. But I think what you and Big Bob and some other folks are showing is like there there really is a way to do prospecting right, and you use the tools that are available to you. It can't be fruitful for sure.

SPEAKER_03 9:23

And like, I don't know. There's so many different people that speak in the hobby about different prospects, and there's so many different approaches to the hobby, but ultimately, like, I kind of just like to take the approach of I'll give you the information, you do with it what you want, right? Like I'm maybe gonna post about a prospect here or there, but ultimately, like I look at like last night someone had asked, like, hey, what's the breakdown of players in our collections across the website, across all users? And I was looking at it and like it was a shocking result. I think uh the number one player was Ethan Peco. It was like just littered with p pictures. So I think we did did a little bit of a went a little too deep on that one. But you know, like it's just cool to see how people are using the site and how like it's just grown to where it is today. And like you had mentioned earlier, like making quick changes, implementing features when people ask, responding when people like send messages. I do that because the ideas that they're giving me are fantastic. And like they play a huge role in like getting us to where we are today. Like so many of these ideas aren't things that I can say I I can take full credit for. Like other people have been like, hey man, this would really help me. Can you add this? And you know, of course, if I if it's something I feel like makes sense, I'm gonna add it because ultimately, like, everyone has their own approach. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

Well, props to you for being so nimble and agile and and you know, taking those ideas and building them out into real features. Appreciate the kind words, man.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Let's talk about we we talked about how like everything is so useful and it is, and how like all these features are great, but let's talk about what you're actually using the website for. So someone goes to the website and they've just heard all this awesome stuff. But what is an example of you know one of the most common things that they will use the site for?

SPEAKER_03 11:06

So a lot of people really like the collection feature. What it does is it allows you to import from eBay purchases, import by see it like a spreadsheet, import manually, however you want to do it, you know, and from there it will give you two different values when they're available. One is the recent comps. What I use is a time-weighted moving average. So, you know, the most recent sale matters the most in my opinion. So that's gonna be scored the highest. And then we kind of work our way down from there to get that average price. And then you'll have maybe a range if if it's available that's based on a multiplier. You know, we have so many sales across entire releases where we can take, you know, a multiplier of 2.4 for a purple. I don't know what what it actually is, off the top of my head, but we can do that. And then let's say that's in your collection, you see a range of $60 to $85. And that kind of gives you an idea of where your values at now and like how you're doing as an investor. And I think it's neat because it gives you that real time feedback.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

And so now let's say the next step someone wants to grow their collection. Is there a way for them to figure out what players to target that might be undervalued or anything based off of rankings or projections or anything?

SPEAKER_03 12:21

Kind of going back to what I said, you know, I kind of like to let people use the site how they how they want to. I definitely am pretty active on Twitter in my Discord talking about prospects I like. I have Bob has given me rankings to upload to the site. They're updated as he updates his rankings. That can be useful too. And, you know, we have projected scout grades. It's kind of a weird approach, but I I think if you were to look at them, you'd see they were pretty much aligned with what I would assume a consensus grade would be for the players. And, you know, if you are willing to put in the time and like understand what scout grades are and how they work, you can kind of use those to your advantage too. Like thinking off the top of my head, a player like Tony Blanco Jr., like he he hits the ball so damn hard, and it's so fun to watch him play. But you know, he has a 35-grade hit tool. So how often is he going to get to that power? So it's kind of like use it how you want to. I put in a lot of information, historical stats, position breakdowns, splits against right-handed pitchers, left-handed pitchers. Again, I don't want to talk poorly about a player, but like one that comes to mind recently who's gotten a lot of a lot of attention this season is Cooper Ingall. And I I think very highly of Cooper Ingle. He was one of the first players I ever went very heavy in as an investment, sold a bunch of his cards early on to his dad, who said, you know, he doesn't really know that I'm doing this. I hope like to build a nice collection so that he can appreciate when it's older. Like I thought that was really cool and like bought me further into the hobby. But, you know, you look at his splits and he has not hit a single home run against a left-handed pitcher. And then you think to yourself, well, is he gonna be platooned? Is that a card that I can invest in? Right. Like if we look at his historical stats, right? He's batting 222 this season. His highest was 273 over 22 at bat sample size with like a normal sample size. He's never gone above 225, 230. So, and on top of that, he's hit one home run against lefties in the he's been in the league since 2023. So he's kind of limited in what his impact's gonna be at the at the big league level.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

Can I tell you how long to use it, Juice? Yeah, I was actually about to ask you directly, Bert, how do you I know that you have it open every day. How how do you mostly use prospect pulse?

SPEAKER_01 14:34

I do have it open every day, and I look at it probably every night before I go to bed too, because when you go to prospectpulse v1.com, the first thing that you see is auctions that are ending the soonest. That's like the landing page. And so one of the things that I like to do, just as somebody who likes to buy, sell, trade, and and buy, sell, and trade boom. And there's nothing more that I love, and I know a lot of collectors are the same, of finding, you know, sniping an eBay auction, finding a good deal on an eBay auction that's under comps and something that you might be able to either quickly flip or hold and sell for more if you like to prospect and their their future outlook. But, anyways, there's actually filters within this auction page on Prospect Pulse where you can find whether or not a card, a specific card player in parallel is under comps or over comps. So I check that under comp button. I check whether or not I want it to be numbered. I could, I can, I can filter for anything I want, parallel type, year, all these different ways that you can slice and dice it. But with that, you can see which eBay auctions for first Bowman autos are ending the earliest and which ones you might want to. You can quickly favorite them to your eBay page. You can uh you can place bids, you know, that's the first thing that I do, right? But then, but then oftentimes during the day I put on my breaker hat. And when I first put on my breaker hat, one of the things I'm talking I'm always thinking about is which Bowman products are the best return on rip at this point in time. So there's this checklist feature of prospects pulse where I can go in and I can quickly see the average base auto price for the top first Bowman prospects in each Bowman release going back years. So if I want to, if I'm thinking, oh, these guys are popping off from 22 draft, like, oh, Sal Stewart, it's kind of going off. And I go in and I can I check and see what some other what Sal Stewart first and foremost is doing, but what other guys in that checklist are doing? And how does that stack up versus 2023 Bowman draft, which of course is going off and 2021 Bowman draft, which is very under the radar? And also how can I how does that match up versus the cost of the product? What is a jumbo cost case for each of those? And then how do you look at like the potential return based on the base auto prices versus the cost of the product? And that helps me determine what I want to break next, because I want to be breaking product that is the most fruitful for people that want to join our breaks. So it helps me figure that out first and foremost. And then it helps me price the break, right? So I use that same feature to figure out if I'm running a PYP, how do I price a player? Because when you when you price out a break, you want to figure out how much your cards would potentially sell for if you were to hit them. You you figure out like an expected return equation and you you plug that in, and you that's how you figure out how to price a player. You combine that with other comp information that you could get. But for some for some of these older products, people aren't running breaks of that. People aren't running breaks of 2022 Bomber Draft. And you know, you could look at eBay comps from six months ago, but though that won't tell you the whole story. But Dahl's tool will help me refine that pricing to make it as fair as possible for folks. So yeah, anyways, that's kind of how those are the two primary ways in which I use it. I've seen a lot of people out there, I've seen testimonies of people that use the collection tool, which is essentially like what mint.com used to be for a financial portfolio. You can use it for cards. And I've seen a lot of people say, ever since I started, ever since I joined Doll's Discord, ever since I started using the Prospect Pulse collection tool, like I've taken my $5,000 initial investment and I've turned it into $20,000, $20,000 value. And I think that's incredible. Like, what's better than that?

SPEAKER_03 18:04

I remember like when I first built this site, my favorite part was that like looking for underpriced like auctions ending soonest. And like I bought a Bo Davidson green auto for like $72 and sold it within like the next two weeks for like $30,000, $40 profit just because I was so far under comps when I bought it. I was like ecstatic. I was like, why am I not doing this like all the time? Like, why am I not just buying auctions like constantly?

SPEAKER_01 18:31

No, totally. And then I think the other thing too is like it helps build structure to a very inefficient market. Oftentimes, you know, yes, it's a free market, like, but it is a very inefficient market. And one of the things that's different from release to release is the parallel rainbow. So one of the things you could do is you could go into the specific product. Say you want to look at 2024 draft specifically, which has a unique parallel rainbow, you can see the multiplier of what on average throughout all the sales a true blue auto does versus a base auto, or what a black X Fractor auto does versus a base auto. And that can help that can help you determine what might be a good buy and what not when you're looking at the value of a particular card. Not only that, but you can clip into it and you can see the pop report. You can look at that guy and you can see, okay, how many cards have it on prospect pulse, you can see how many cards have been graded, you can see what percentage of his cards have gemmed. And that'll might give you an idea. If you're looking at a raw card, like oh, maybe this guy, this particular prospect didn't take good care of his autos. All his autos are shit. You're you're gonna have a very hard time getting anything more than a PSA 9 or a PSA 8 on any of these if you're trying to do the raw, the buy raw grade and flip approach.

SPEAKER_03 19:42

So you know, you you you just reminded me of something that I don't even think I've ever really marketed or told people about that exists on the website. But even like if you're interested in grading, which I guess, you know, with recent news, it's a little bit less accessible, probably for the foreseeable future. But like I built this return on investment calculator where you could put in the player his current, like what you paid for his price, and it would output what the estimated value for PSA 10, for PSA 9, for PSA 8 would be for him. And like it could help make decisions on whether or not he would be someone to invest in or to grade, I guess. And I think that's really neat too. And like I think there's so many different things that like I forget they exist on the website because like you know, one person asks for them, I'm like, yeah, that's a sick idea. And I I build it and then like I don't always have the time to go back and use the site as much as I would like to because I'm pretty constantly either working or working on the website, but like I'll stumble across them and I'll be like, oh, that's a great idea. Like, why don't I use that more? Like, I feel like so many times, like when I was first starting out, I never really used to do that graded card stuff. Because as you you you know, Bert, I started initially only with base autos, slowly worked my way up to be able to filter by different variations. And you know, there's so many different variations with the same color but a different like the shimmer, the wave, like people mislabel them, like no one knows what the difference is between lava and ray wave. Like it's just a whole mess.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

So you got everything, every yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

So like I started with base autos and like in the background was working on trying to differentiate between these different variations so we could get to a point where we're at today. Also, kind of speaking on something that I'm working on implementing and hoping to have out soon, probably within the next week or two, is uh like a daily mailing list, right? You can add favorites to your account and you can get like what I anticipate or what I plan to do, I guess, is to send out a daily list with all auctions ending within 24 hours of cards in your favorites, just so you can see it. Also, like kind of maybe even like weekly reports on like the movement in these players just to kind of help make it visible for you so it's like so in your face that you can't be lazy. Because that's another thing that like I wanted to build this up. Because I was kind of a lazy seller and like feel like sitting on like the first time I sat on the podcast with Bob, I was looking through some of my cards and I was like, why am I holding on to this? Like I had a a couple Sam Antinocchis. I don't know how you say his last name. Antanucci. Yeah. And like I paid pennies on the dollar for him, and they were like $200 cards. They were just sitting. So like I want to be in your face so you can sell too. Like you, I don't want to let people do what what I did too. Like, you know, I feel like when not when like it's so in your face, you you don't have the option to ignore it or to to maybe not list the cards. And another feature that's come into the site is the ability to add cards to eBay, list cards to eBay through the site directly.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

So is there uh is there a feature or maybe an idea for a feature like in your collection? If like your car one of your card prices is all of a sudden skyrocketing or something, or it's become really hot, like you'll get an alert on that.

SPEAKER_03 22:59

Raise the price. So, not so much an alert, but if you're in your collection page, there's a tab called Daily Movers, which highlights the top 10 highest movers, either positive or negative. Like right now, I'm looking at my collection and I have a Sean Keys mini diamond that I paid $14 for last sale was $140. So yeah, it's like kind of gotta sell that, you know?

SPEAKER_00 23:21

All right. So what I did want to talk about today as well, and use prospects pulse and DAL U for this as well, is we are now a couple weeks post-26 Bowman release. A lot of the initial hype has died down where the prices for the singles are starting to lower. Of course, the process for the boxes don't really do that. But singles, you're not gonna have that first mover selling the card for a ton, everyone trying to get that first card for that prospect, trying to get those parallels first. So that prospect price is settling down. The prices are starting to reflect the actual player hype more so than just product type alone. So I think you talked about this with Bob also last week, but we could talk about it a bit here too. And Bert, if there's any players that you want to talk about specifically, but what are we seeing as far as 26 Bowman, like uh now that we're a couple weeks post-release?

SPEAKER_03 24:12

So I hear your question and I raise you one back. There are currently 71 first Bowman Chrome autos with base sales. How many of those do you think have increased in value over the last 14 days?

SPEAKER_01 24:23

I at least say at least a pricing versus today's pricing have increased in value.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

I would guess 20%. I'd guess more like 5%.

SPEAKER_03 24:32

So depending on how you define like an increase in value, it's anywhere between 10 to 20. A lot of people are sitting right around like plus or minus 5%, but only 29 have seen like substanti substantial enough growth or positive growth, and that's including the 1%, 2% increase from from release date. So that means 42 players have decreased. And we were talking about this earlier, too. Like Ethan Holiday's already dropped $100. He's now priced at $150. Today's injury news probably makes that go even lower. To I wouldn't even be comfortable giving a guess. I feel like this is rather unprecedented territory. But it's it's just it's the same song and dance every release. People want that new shiny toy, and they kind of lose sight of the the long-term plays, right? Where it's two weeks and two days post-release. I won't even start buying singles unless you're very confident or have a very strong conviction in a player until we're a month, six weeks past release date. That's when we're gonna reach the bottom for most of these guys.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Is that what you found in your kind of longitudinal now analysis of Bowman? Is that that's the right time to buy in the aggregate four to six weeks post-release for products that are good, like that end up improving?

SPEAKER_03 25:51

What what we've seen is that that's when they hit their floor with like supply outpacing demand. Obviously, there's so many different factors at play that you can't generalize that for everybody. And there's going to be players who you could buy today that you could be up 100, 200% within the next month. But the large majority of players continue to drop as more supply hits hits the like third-party marketplaces, eBay, check out my cards, wherever you sell. So can't say it's definitive for every player, but traditionally I'd say 90-95% of players hit their floor within four to six weeks.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Okay. You know what I just Florentino. Like Florentino might be a buy, but that's that's also an exception.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Right. One thing that could affect things too. I didn't really think about it yesterday. Yesterday I recorded a quick episode on PSA and how this can impact the hobby. I was mostly thinking in terms of graded cards, but for those lower-tiered raw cards, since they are being simple to be graded that people are just looking to flip them, we might see a huge supply boom on those for the next four or five months. So that could impact things in in an interesting way that I didn't think about before. I don't know if you guys agree that that could possibly be a big factor, actually.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

Yeah, that's actually a really good thought. I hadn't given it much much thought myself either.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

I feel like sending those off are they're they're not gonna want to just sit on them a lot of these like bulk submitters. Uh that they are bulk submitting for a reason to flip those cards. So if they can flip them, graded, then they're gonna flip them raw. So that however many cards um that wouldn't be going over there, that that could be a huge amount that we could see flopping.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Yeah, I think I think the announcement from PSA, you know, 2026 Bowman flagship is gonna be a really interesting uh case study. You know, we're two weeks, two days past release, right? And on June 2nd, here on Tuesday, PSA is shutting down value tiers. So what are the pop counts gonna look like on 2026 Bowman cards? How many folks have already have already subbed their cards from Bowman? Not not that many. I feel like a lot of subbing happens happens three, four, five, six, seven weeks after release.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

So I don't know. Question for you guys on on this on this matter, because I I haven't really followed it as much as I probably should have. But are they honoring like submissions they received that are postmarked before the second, or is it just so you have to complete your submission form by the second? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

And as long as you do that and get it to them before the expiration, which they claim is 30 days, but when I made one yesterday, it showed 45 days. Yeah, as long as you can get in and by then, you're good. So there's not a crazy rush, but you better get that done by June 2nd. You better get that in their system for all the value to yours.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

You definitely don't want to be the tail end of that rush that's gonna happen. I mean, geez, that post office skip is about to get crushed.

SPEAKER_03 28:43

Right. Like wait times are the longest they've ever been, but imagine this last minute like rush they're about to receive. It's gonna take a couple more months just to get through cards they're being sent this week until they they can't anymore.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

I guess another question I I would have for for you, Bert, since you're you're opening this product so much. Like, how have you noticed or what have you noticed about the quality of this product?

SPEAKER_01 29:08

I think from like a QC perspective, the centering is notably worse than past Bowman flagship releases. When I say Bowman flagship, I'm talking about Bowman baseball, Bowman Chrome, Bowman draft. I think the centering has been worse on the hits, noticeably. Although I I do think the rest of the quality is is kind of in line. Like surface to me is kind of in line with the past few releases, corners and and edges are in line with the last few releases.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

Yeah, the centering stands out so much because of that design, too. So you're gonna notice.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

We pulled a true blue Rollie Britain auto yesterday that was probably 90-10, right? It was it was bad. Left to right. And that kind of stuff shouldn't happen at all. Like that should never get that should never get sent out to be signed.

SPEAKER_00 29:51

One under the radar piece of PSA news that uh came out in the last month. A couple people were talking about it, but I didn't see it talked about as much. Well, it's not really PSA news, it's more tops news for their defects. They are no longer at PSA eight, nine, or ten are what's acceptable. Now it's PSA 7. So if it's below PSA 7, so unless you have a PSA 6 or lower, it's no longer, it's no longer tops defect, uh TOPS defect replaceable. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

That's gonna make it near impossible to get any type of, you know, it's gonna take a it's gonna take an absolute bloodbath to get a replacement.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Yeah, you you can you'll be able to tell for sure. That's the one thing. That they're not really gonna be like those borderline, all right, is this like a seven or an eight? Like this is you you can tell when something's a PSA six out of the box, pretty much. Yeah. So it has to be pretty bad for tops to want to replace that card.

SPEAKER_03 30:45

Kind of speaking on that, it reminded me of something I did last summer where I looked at the the gem rates of releases over the last two years. And 2022 it was 51.4 percent, 23, 65. Yeah, yeah. Base autos or base auto. Yeah, base autos. This is still back when I was only really tracking the base autos, but okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Do you think that's a product of topp's quality going down or PSA being tougher on grades?

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Well, it's definitely a combination, but I'm I'm sitting here thinking about like which which one of those things gets more credit for that change. I I'm not so sure. I you know, PSA. I'm inclined to say that it's just PSA's change and inconsistency, more so than the change in actual quality of the cards. That being said, I thought 23 draft was pretty damn terrible. So I was surprised to hear what Dahl just said.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

So that was that was based on 25,000 cards too. So it wasn't just a small sample size.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:55

I just I I I've always listed my cards in excellent condition because I I just don't have the patience to go through the trials and tribulations of grading these days. Like I've seen pictures of cards with the worst corners you've ever seen get tens, and then the nicest looking cards get sevens. And it's just like, how do how do you even feel confident submitting to them when there's just so much seemingly randomness to their process these days?

SPEAKER_01 32:20

I think one thing too is people got to think about, as you're thinking about like how well is tops doing on QC, you have to think of the autos differently than you think of the base, because the autos have a have a long life cycle, right? They get printed, but then they get sent off to the players. The players sign them, they send them back, and then they go into the packs, whereas the base stuff just gets printed, handled by a tops official or a manufacturer, and then straight into a pack, right? So there's a lot of there's a lot of abuse that can happen to a card in the time that it's going off to a player when the player is actually signing it. You've seen some players post pictures on Instagram of them signing their autos. It's just uh 52 card shuffle on the table, just moving shit around like like a casino would shuffle a new deck of cards, you know, and like that makes you think like let's look at when we think about top C, you have to look at centering differently than you think about surface, corners, and edges, because when a player is moving their stuff around like that, like they can ding corners pretty easily, they can scratch the surface pretty easily if they're signed signing on a hard table or anything rough like that. So that it's been kind of disappointing, I think, in 2026 Bowman to see the centering be the issue because that to me points the tops versus the players signing the autos.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

All right. So going back to some of the stuff we can find on the site, so for for Bowman, who since uh release has been some of the biggest movers as far as either up or down in price?

SPEAKER_03 33:42

So what we see with with this close to release is that it's oftentimes like the lower price guys with the most movement in terms of like percent change. So right now, if you were to sort by like trend, it would be truett Madonna at number one, who's gone up 72%, uh Coi James, who's gone up 67%, Daniel Pierce up 55%, Ricardo Kova up 52%, everything else is gone.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

And these, and I know you can also see the count of how many have sold. Have all these guys sold a decent amount or are any of them like short printed?

SPEAKER_03 34:18

So that's a great question, actually. A player like Dylan Lewis hasn't had any base autos show up that I think I don't think I've seen. Um, but this release has been a little weird too, because I feel like we're seeing more and more redemptions.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Like Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 34:32

So it's a little weird. I don't really like the track redemptions. I don't feel like they're really indicative of value. You know, you're paying what someone will pay to wait a couple weeks, maybe months to get their card. So maybe he has a redemption, but as of today, he hasn't sold any without the word redemption in the title in base autos.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

Interesting. There's some other guys that say are seemingly short print. Like Sung Sung Jen Kim, I was noticing is kind of short print on the base autos, it seems like, especially like you can tell when you look at the market because the multipliers for his parallels are rather small compared to what you would expect the multipliers to be. Like you'd you expect typically like a you know, a true blue would be like five, six X base auto, but for Sung Jen Kim, it's only like two X. I think it's that that's because his base is short print, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:19

Yeah, I mean he hasn't had too many base autos, so I think 15 as of today. Actually, kind of a couple big names.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

One guy, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:29

Over 200.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Is he still over $200 a base auto?

SPEAKER_03 35:33

He's at $179.34 as of right now. Last sale being $175. But like another player like Avar Kett, he's only at 17 base autos, sell 49 total cards. Like that feels pretty low for one of the top chases in this product.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Yeah, well, Burch is hit like three of his big cards or four of his big cards in his 15 cases, right?

SPEAKER_01 35:54

All redemp he's all redemption.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

That makes that makes more sense. Why do why are they doing more redemptions? And like the checklist itself, the number of players is pretty small compared to r recent years. So like I feel like it wouldn't be that hard to get everyone to kind of do what you needed them to do.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Yeah, that's that's a good question. I would love to know, but that's one of those things I feel like we're we'll probably never know.

SPEAKER_03 36:18

But it's like, you know, the second 2025 Bowman draft was the checklist was released, everyone was like, oh, Ethan Holiday, Ava Rcat's gonna be in 2026 Bowman. So it's like we've known for how however many months, and we still have redemption autos for one of the top chases in the product. That feels kind of like lazy. We even have hyper redemptions. Yeah, it doesn't have a lot of people are looking forward to that, and you're making them wait longer, and then now it's even gonna be a longer wait because you're not getting the auto.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

Yeah, well, Ethan Holiday's gonna be signing because he's not gonna have anything else to do, fortunately.

SPEAKER_03 36:50

All right, so he did have the highest volume in sales as of today. 144 base autos sold, 243 total. So he's moving.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

Yeah. I know that after hearing this, if I were to go on the website for the first time, I'm gonna be thinking, okay, how can I see which 26 bowling player who can I get now for a lower price compared to what they should be selling for? So what would you see in terms of a player if someone was trying to find that information out? You don't have to give away like everything because we we we want everyone listening, we do want you to use this website on your own, but just an exit as an example of something that you could see.

SPEAKER_03 37:26

Yeah, no, you're you're full of really good questions, actually. Things that I didn't necessarily think of. But I think what we're seeing right now with Juan Sanchez is kind of the perfect timing for him. You know, he's kind of in a slump. He wasn't the top chase in this product, but he's a pretty talented prospect with, I'd say, a lot of upside. And he's currently his last sale was 27.50. Average over the last five is 30. So I feel like that's a pretty comfortable price range. I maybe would wait on it and kind of, you know, check daily if you see an increase in volume or a slight increase in price and you're worried that you're gonna miss out. Maybe buy a couple and just see what happens. Because I mean at the end of the day, yeah. I mean, that's another thing too. Like, if you go on our analytics page on the website, we have a sales table of like all of the sales that occur each day that we're tracking. And since the release, I mean, we look back to beginning of May, it was a thousand ending eleven hundred, twelve hundred. Now it's twenty-two, twenty, twenty-one, twenty-three. Like it's just the volume of these sales is so heavy, this close to release, that like he could be 30 now. By the time we finish recording this episode, he could be 50, or he could be 10. Who knows? Just moves that quick.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

And for everyone listening, Dahl's doing this in real time. Like, like he just said, I'm just presenting these questions, and he's just using his site in real time. It's not like he had all this info prepared right now. He's just able to pull it out just by being on the site. So that is how easy it is to use. And I hope this isn't coming off as like a giant commercial, because although we we do love the site and everything, and we're not getting anything from this, we don't have any affiliate links or anything like this. We just really believe in it, and we really believe in growing the hobby in positive ways. So we just want to make sure that everyone has this info that's out there, is able to utilize it in a way that that can be helpful.

SPEAKER_03 39:18

Ultimately, like I don't I whether or not people want to use a site, it's ultimately up to them. No hard feelings either way. I I feel like there's people who probably don't think there's value or wouldn't find value in that site, and that's okay. I think that what I like to like carry with myself is like I want to meet you where you're at. If you feel this is something that can be helpful for you, by all means, please come on, come on board. I'm happy to help. Like, I'm I try to be pretty responsive. I have a hard time like tracking down all the messages because I'll get like a random email. Or well, you got a week and a half ago, I got a Twitter DM at 2 a.m. and he's like, hey, did you make a Reddit post with multipliers a year ago? I made one Reddit post when I was first starting out, and this kid found me on Twitter and DM'd me at like 2 a.m. It's like I can't keep track, it's hard. And I try to do my best to respond to everyone and just like help out any way I can. I do like to like protect our users' value, but also like want to help others too. I'm not completely shutting myself off to the to the community and like saying if you if you don't subscribe, like you're you're SOL, right? That's not really my style. Recently just made a uh new page on the website that has the MLB pipeline top 100 and top 30 by teams and prices and stuff. So you can check that out, and that's free for anyone to use, you know. And it also has players without autos that that are ranked by MLB pipeline, also included the signed year date so that way we can see like, hey, this prospect doesn't have an auto, like Elmer Rodriguez, right? Doesn't have an auto. He's been signed for five years now. He's probably not gonna get a first Bowman Chrome prospect auto. Like it just kind of helps me think about who could be in the next releases and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

Yeah, I'm sitting here thinking about like Bowman economics, and it's so fascinating, right? Because one of the things that everybody kind of learns once you start to pay attention to Bowman releases year after year is that singles prices are at their peak generally, like right around release. But the wax, the sealed product, tends to go up. So you have this thing happen where it's like singles are up here, wax is down here, and you see this crossing happen where the wax continues to gradually go up as supply goes down, the average base auto price continues to go down. And as a breaker, it creates a conflict for me where you know, two weeks after release, I'm like, is it really worth buying at secondary prices for wax now? So you have to charge a little bit more for breaks for a lower return. And it's tough for me. And it's one of the things that I think about like when is the right time to actually start buying this product? But it's not a perfect science, right? Like 20, you don't know when a product's gonna blow up and when a product's not. Like 2025 Bellman, for example, like was kind of coasted along at the same steel product price. And it took a it took a while for once once some of those top guys started to blow up a little bit, and thinking about whether Holton McDonald's, you know, in particular, the wax kind of stayed stagnant for a while and it was a really good buy, but now it's way up here again. And now I'm sitting here thinking, like, what's a better buy? 2025 Bowman or 2026 Bowman at current prices? Because right now it's like 2026 Bowman's like 650 a box, but but base auto prices are kind of on the down. 2025 Bowman's right 850 a jumbo box, but you're you know, you have a much larger sample size to work with. So like and and also by the way, the base auto prices are a lot higher for the tough guys.

SPEAKER_00 42:42

I can't believe how fast your 15 casers sold. I know we're still within like that initial like launch window, but a couple weeks post-release, how quickly your 15 casers sold, it sold like it was like a release day break. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

We have a lot of awesome people that that join our breaks too and love Bowman. And yeah, you know, we try to be as fair as we can with prices, but you know, now it's like after we got through with that stock, it's like, do I buy more stock at you know, these cases are pretty expensive. And I'm looking at the base auto prices and I'm like, I don't know if it's worth it. I don't know if I'm gonna be buying a whole lot more Bone. I'm out. I'm out on it after that last one. It's it's kind of a soft release, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 43:20

Like, like retail might be the way to go still.

SPEAKER_01 43:23

Yeah, and blaster cases have gone up more so than the other configurations, but it's like, I don't know, we only have what two guys? Well, if you count some John Cam and you count Way and Lin, who we think might be base for an autos, I still think even with even counting those guys, there's only what, all like five guys that are over a hundred dollars for a base auto? Yeah, five five as a today. Yeah, it's like I don't know, you go back and you look at 2025 Bowman, and there's how many guys that are still over 200 dollars of base auto? And Mate at the top.

SPEAKER_03 43:52

Like before before I answer that question, I do want to say looking back at Kevin McDonald and goals base auto prices a year. Ago today, what do you think it was at?

SPEAKER_01 44:02

A year ago today. So what like two weeks after release? They released on May 3rd of 2025. He was probably closer to a month. He was probably right around 100 bucks. Way too low. He's $76.80. Yeah. So now I I'm getting the same feeling about McGonagall with Florentino. And I know Florentino's not hurt. McGonagall was hurt at the time, right? And Florentino's also like he's putting up good numbers. Like I'm seeing his you know reels pop up on social media and stuff like that. Like he's he's performing. McGonagall wasn't when he was hurt, but still, like I feel like it's uh inefficiency. Like there's no way that there's no way that Holiday and Florentino should be the same price. Florentino should be way higher, but it's not.

SPEAKER_00 44:42

I almost grabbed the Florentino etched in glass today. I saw them going for like 200, which I thought was a really good price. But I know that the resell on those isn't fantastic. I usually like the card. Uh but yeah, Florentino.

SPEAKER_01 44:53

It came up in our 15 case break, our two biggest hits. We hit, and again, this is it's not prospect to prospect, so it's not an apples to apples comparison, but we hit a we hit a blue Murakami rookie auto, we hit a true gold Edward Florentino auto, and I posed the question, which one would you rather have? And it was a pretty mixed egg, you know, of responses. Like it was kind of 50-50 when we pulled the crowd. But it's interesting because there's no doubt at all that the Murakami blue auto is worth way more right now. But what's gonna be worth more in a month? It might completely change.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

Yeah, Murakami's prices don't make any sense. So those should come down. I love it, but it's insane. And he got hurt today. I don't know if he's okay. Murakami, he left the game with a tight hamster.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

Jesus. Yeah. So, you know, it's not a question of how much more room is there for growth. Florentino, obviously, there's a lot more room for growth than Murakami. He's kind of a lot of people think at at their peak, unless he goes out and hits 60 bombs. Which like if Murakami finishes the season with 50 bombs, are his prices for his Bowman rookie autos going to be higher or lower than they are now? Probably about the same. And that'll be a damn good season. He'll be the consensus rookie of the year. But I don't know how much more room for growth there is versus what he's going. These rookie autos are going for what, like 1200, 1400 bucks still.

SPEAKER_00 46:11

I I see his ceiling more as Pete Alonso than Aaron Judge. The last two rookies to hit 50 home runs, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 46:19

Yeah. I I see him more as Pete Alonso than that raises an interesting point, though. Like these these players nowadays, like we see the the upside and the power, but like that I I I feel like that can't be the carrying tool, you know. Like that doesn't have staying power. At least in my mind, it doesn't feel like it has staying power, especially if the the hit tool or the plate discipline's questionable.

SPEAKER_01 46:42

So yeah, Murakami feels a little bit more Adam Dunn to me. Yeah, a true three outcome guy.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

All right. Uh before we wrap this up, anything else you guys wanted to talk about?

SPEAKER_03 46:51

I don't want to make this into like an advertisement like you said, but I do want to say, like, made like a lot of changes to the site over the past couple of weeks. Brought on a couple of people to help out, which is an amazing change for myself. And like, you know, have been rather fortunate to have met such great people like both of you, like Bob. And I think that, you know, having kind-hearted people in this community carries so much weight. I feel like every time I'm on Twitter, I feel like people are being negative in comments and stuff. And it just doesn't make any sense, man. Like, we're all just trying to have fun and make a couple bucks, you know? So we should all be on the same team, hope each other, like root for each other to win. Because at the end of the day, me winning doesn't mean you losing, or vice versa. Right. We can all win together.

unknown 47:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

Dahl, why don't you give us your Twitter handle and the exact URL that they can find?

SPEAKER_03 47:42

So my Twitter handle is doll does cards, and the website URL is prospectpulsev1.com. I don't like the URL, but I'm not gonna pay $7,800 for the URL without the V1 on it when I could pick get this one for $13.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

Yeah, that's why we're talking cards podcast, not talkingcards.com. Um, so doll is spelled D-A-D-A-H-L, Prospect Pulse V1, as in version one, the number one, the digit, not the word spelled out.

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SPEAKER_01 48:46

I'd actually like to add a little bonus too, and it also a thank you to everybody for listening listening to our podcast. But if you haven't gone in and checked out Prospect Post before, I'd like to pay for your first month. Nope, nope, I won't allow it. Bert, you're too good of a guy. Won't allow it. Please message me or Juice. Let us know you might be interested in trying it out, and we will pay for the first month. You can message the on what we want to do. I seriously, I mean, this is it's I don't know. You know how like those there's some websites that just become part of your daily routine. For me, it's become part of my daily routine. I just think it's awesome, and not enough people have seen it. So I want to spread the word.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

I really appreciate that, man. So you're you've always been very kind and very supportive. And I don't know that I would be where I am today without people like you in my corner. So I'm very grateful. Thank you, man. Keep going.

SPEAKER_02 49:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Well, I appreciate you guys for having me on. I I listen every week. I I'm a big fan. Try and stay up to date with what's going on, even though I'm not as responsive and not as present as I'd like to be. But you know, I'm here. I think you do guys do a great job. You bring good service to this hobby beyond Burt you breaking. I think we need we need voices like you guys to be more more present. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate that, man.

SPEAKER_00 50:00

Thank you so much for coming on, sharing everything that you do, and thank you for everything that you do. Bert, welcome back. Thank you. Thank you. Uh thank you, everyone, for listening. And just a little note there is that fan mail option in our episode notes. If you do want to leave us a message, you can leave us a message right through this.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

Is this the phone call thing? Is this the voicemail?

SPEAKER_00 50:21

Yeah, this is the voicemail. So yeah, we can even feature your voice on an episode if we like what you had to say. Or maybe we really hate what you had to say. We'll also feature it.

SPEAKER_01 50:29

I can't wait for some.

SPEAKER_00 50:31

We'll see. Next week, maybe we'll get back to some uh product previews. Uh, I think we have some, we have a lot of good stuff coming out in June.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

25 Top Inception coming out, and then tops grown platinum anniversary too. 25. It's what? We're almost in June, and 2025 baseball products keep on coming. It's like upper deck hockey all over again. Well, debacle.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

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